Hi. I gather you know my boyfriend Oli B W and his housemate (at least, 'housemate' is what I was told) Sam Cherny. Oli has carried on a relationship with me for several years, mostly at a distance but this year much more in person, while telling me he has a 'weird arrangement' with Sam Cherny, fears him, is controlled by him, etc: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o4CO3KQG8dxiYpg_p_jwrIgOsbDkklEi/view He says he has been in love with me forever and wishes he could spend more time with me: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WlsSQ0yMvLCxgydVEpaPQAqFKCv9JRff/view I think he clearly has loved me, if not technically since Genesis 1, then at least since we first met five years ago. Took a while for me to see it but we've been emotionally inseparable since late 2023. But he seems like he’s constantly busy for reasons he can’t explain, he’s reluctant to give me any way to reach him when he disappears, and he gets furious ('unhinged' may be a better word: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1evRt1vhW2xaCnCG5xGM-EDKEx7PssOWj/view) when I nonetheless find ways to reach him (I have developed the tracking abilities of a San bushman or Simon Wiesenthal). Obviously this is not how a normal person behaves with the person he loves. What the hell is going on here? Is he in a relationship with Cherny? I would be eternally in your debt if you could help me make head or tail of the situation.
Jun 2026
Aug 2026
No he is not in an affair with Cherny. Put young men in a party house they’re gonna party. I had no i idea you were being ignored. See what I cand
Thanks for answering! I really appreciate it. If you're right, then I am extremely, unbelievably wrong.... haha. But why does Damien refuse, absolutely refuse to say to the Chernys what he has said to me, and specifically that Oli and I have recently dated one another?
Also why was Oli so perpetually terrified of adding me on Facebook (and especially of my requests to be 'in a relationship' publicly on Facebook) and above all of me going to his (i.e. Cherny's) house?
Whenever I said I would go to the house (usually when he wasn't replying) he would instantly reply, instantly be terrified and panicked and hostile, and usually declare me to be a stalker but call me and try to dissuade me from going - if I said I was going anyway (as I think one does sometimes in a relationship when one feels communication has broken down and one needs to have a face-to-face conversation), he would just harden into "you are a stalker"..
When you say 'not having an affair', you mean there is nothing, no exclusive thing at all? That Cherny wouldn't mind knowing that Oli and I were dating?
If that's true, I would be the happiest person alive, but Oli never acted like it was true
Is this stalker real?
Well, the stalker is me, allegedly, haha
I dunno
It depends what you mean by 'stalker'
If you mean I am a bit intense sometimes and I send too many emails and drag people into arguments, then yeah i'm a stalker; if you mean I'm Glenn Close from Fatal Attraction, then no I'm not that
He tells me he loves you
Yeah he does and always has, and I adore him to pieces too
This is kinda what this whole 'stalking' project has been about - trying to figure out how it is possible that we both love each other and yet there is tangibly something he can't say, something that has come between us
Like when he said he wanted to move out of that house and come and live with me, and said he wanted to speak to me 'in a secure location' (not dramatic at all, Oli! haha) and we arranged to meet that Saturday, and when I met him he said actually he couldn't move out at all, couldn't explain why, and didn't tell me whatever he had obviously meant to tell me
At the time he was always talking about being involved in criminality, that was his cover story, so I interpreted it as "he is involved in some dodgy Davenport-related thing, Cherny is his controller or boss or whatever, and he's being kept in some kind of debt and made to work on criminal stuff to pay it off"
That was why I emailed all of Eddie Davenport's sex party attendees (I apologised to him and I apologise again - Oli had told me that he was involved in human trafficking at Davenport's house, which I now understand was almost certainly bollocks)
But that's the thing: why does he lie so much, and why does he love me but is seemingly unable to see me very much or reply much of the time? To me, a Cherny relationship explains almost all of that
Also the CPS are telling me that Cherny is his new partner, and they say that after having interviewed him, so 🤷
'telling me' as in it's what their case against me describes him as: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rkSAAMXZ3VA7RGr98wtsU7G2MQnh498p/view
He thinks s its funny. My brothers the same
Hows your leg?
My leg? Wait what happened to my leg? Haha
Both my legs are fine!
Did something happen to either of my legs? If so I didn't notice, haha
Must have co fused you someone else
Or was that a pulling my leg joke?
lol
Anyway, look, I am sane, I promise, I am not a lunatic stalking anyone
No. Your over thinking
Maybe I'm a bit intense but it has been a fucking wild process, and fuck Damien especially
I don't entirely know whether to believe you ... I am weighing it over ... to me the question is why exactly, if Cherny is literally just Oli's heterosexual friend, why is Oli so visibly petrified of his ever finding out about my and Oli's relationship?
Because he is visibly petrified
Like, one sec
This
Sorry, screenshot is from my site because fucking Facebook is stuck loading/syncing
And why did you reply to me about a VPN in Zaire and then block me? Aaaand why did you call me a fantasist if Oli told you he loved me? I have a slightly paranoid feeling that you were told the fantasist/stalker version then, but have now been recruited into the in-on-Oli's-secret club and are defending Oli
In case that's the case, I will say that I will know when we get Oli's recorded interview, which we will soon – we should have got it over a month ago and the CPS is seriously in breach of court-ordered deadlines (though I gather it often is)
Please stop. Im trying to wkrkp a d your message cut the page in half
Fucking pleqse stop
I think Sam Cherny doesn't have a great many friends, you are his #1 friend on Facebook, above even Oli, and I think he is owed the truth now
I don't know entirely what is going on with your volte-face, but it is a volte-face from previously calling me a fantasist and a liar - I think you seem like a decent person and I'm not giving you the Damien treatment, don't worry, Damien mocked and tormented me for months and was a whole different kettle of fish - I understand the vexedness of your position - but the problem remains that I can see that you and Damien and others in the ingroup just patently are not quite acting as you would if Cherny were straightforwardly not in a relationship with Oli
Which would be to say "hey Sam, meet other Sam, Oli's housemate whom you were always forbidden to meet or message - it turns out he's straight and not in a relationship with Oli at all and he's super chill with your and Oli's relationship, doesn't care at all, it was all a big mix-up and Oli just slipped and fell on the Crown Prosecution Service and got mixed up in his very tortured police statements in which he uses extremely excruciated wording to avoid saying when your relationship began or ended"
Long message
There is clearly an ingroup and an outgroup, and you were previously in the outgroup and are now in the ingroup. The ingroup acknowledges my and Oli's relationship, acts as if it's not being disputed at all, earns my trust, and uses that trust to dissuade me from contacting the outgroup by baldly asserting that the outgroup are so totally unbothered by the relationship that they would be annoyed to receive a message about such an obvious and uncontroversial thing. This is a very, very hard sell, at this point. I'm sorry, but I am practically certain of what is going on. Even if you convinced me, it wouldn't make a difference - I would still want to explain to the outgroup, because I have been defamed to them as a stalker, and I want them to understand that I am not that, even if I were somehow wrong and they were fine with the relationship part. I can see what is going on. I can see that Oli initially thought he could say "fuck you" and put me in prison to cover up his infidelity, and that is now failing and so more people are being recruited and he's becoming fearful and trying to get me on side. I'm sorry, but ... he should never have done this, and you shouldn't do this. I'm glad you're not being lied to any more, but come on, we both know Sam Cherny doesn't know - does he not deserve the truth? Why does Oli's right to lie to him outweigh his right to understand the truth of his own life?Like, what is going on today? Is this a Fuhrerbunker moment in the Oli Situation Room? The ingroup is behaving palpably more anxiously than usual, and the ingroup now includes you, which I am functionally certain it did not even a week or so ago!
I really don't get all the panic. Why is Oli so extremely, inordinately invested? A couple of my childhood friends were kids of billionaires, one of them multi-multi-tens-of-billions-aires, and they had boyfriends who were fairly blatantly gold-diggers, and yet those relationships and those breakups were never as high-drama / high-stakes as this seems to be to Oli. I don't quite get the level of investment.
By the way, I love him horribly and this made me melt, even after everything - it is absurd, beyond absurd how much I love that boy*
*man, but, ya know, gays etc
gays will be 70 years old and still calling one another boys, lol
what is going on, what does Oli want, and – I am trying to say this without violating my FUCKING BAIL CONDITIONS which I SHOULD NOT HAVE, OLI – what exactly can we do about this
i am not talking about anything to do with the legal stuff - not horse-trading, not trying to influence witnesses or negotiate or anything - i hit him, i morally defend it, but I did break the law of the land and I would not want to not be punished - but I mean the social situation
he owes me approximately the Hiroshima of apologies, for one thing
and people cannot keep lying to Sam Cherny - god knows what the answer is but I am not going back to dating Oli in secret, if that's what you/he are suggesting, and way too much has been said for that to ever be tenable even if I wanted to
the most Oli-indulgent solution, which I am perfectly happy to go along with because I am ridiculously indulgent of him, is to find some way to pace the reveal
scented candles, holiday in Paris, "by the way, that guy I said was a stalker, it turns out I was and am in love with him, and I hope that's cool with you and I like you differently and want you to stay in my life"
i don't really even care if Cherny wants to have sex with Oli or whatever - I am not interested in Oli for that, and it doesn't really touch the Oli I love - but I don't think Cherny would be satisfied by droit de seigneur, I think he wants what we all want: to be loved alone
I am really sorry that this has happened to him, it is rotten and cruel and i don't envy him at all
also, he should know - again, I can't ask you to tell him, because I am under BAIL CONDITIONS due to what he has done, so I am not asking you to tell him, but he ought to know - that he has caused untold stress to me and to my family by lying about me to the police to have me prosecuted
i will probably not push this, and I will probably not report it, and if the Crown pursued it then I would testify to his character and to my belief that he is a precious and morally vulnerable thing, but he has broken the law quite gravely – perverting the course of justice (which he and Damien have unambiguously done together) is punished drastically more severely than the crimes I am accused of – this is 'several years in prison quite plausible and realistic' level stuff
like, it is fucked up, and any normal person would not forgive him, and he should know that
he cannot carry on this way and I think this is a warning shot from the universe
and i know you were given the same fantasist/fabricator/stalker story that Cherny was, even if you obviously can't admit that to me now
god I hope he's not worried
for whatever stupid fucking reason i can't bear to think of him worried, even though he got himself into this fucking needless mess
adorable bloody nightmare boy whom I love
lmao at this one
also yeah he has loved me forever
from the first moment more or less
believe it or not it was I who took about two years or something to feel the same way about him (hard to imagine now, but true)
as he said here: https://youtu.be/56VlTaQxLJo?si=KRbHHY3pfOB6h0-X&t=1269
and as Damien said here: https://youtu.be/MIXBADeyxWU?si=MVPODUbrHaiGXguu&t=4364
I assume this is not how he is with Sam Cherny
why is Sam Cherny so unwilling to say a single word to me, incidentally? what has he been told? and why did neither he nor his mother listen to what I said at the gate?
i can't quite figure out whether they are just very obtuse or whether they have been given some sort of story that will turn out to logically explain it
perhaps that it is intellectually dangerous to listen to my seductive falsehoods, or something like that
god it has been such an insult, all of this, because I was the only person who was telling the fucking truth
well, you were, I suppose - you aren't now, I think 😉 but no stress, haha
Oli is now back in the position he is always in, incidentally: that of needing me to be nicer to him than he was to me when he had the upper hand
I will be, because I love him, but there is a limit to what can be done here
ya know? like, what can anyone do? carry on lying to Cherny forever?
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To be clear, Oli has made false statements to the police to try to have me locked up, and hasn't thought better of it in 2 months (since my first court hearing) (2 ½ months since the first report). I had gone to visit Cherny to tell him the truth that I am still trying to bloody tell him, and everyone is refusing to pass it on while insisting that he wouldn't mind at all, and I can see very clearly what is going on. I have had to pour sweat and blood into proving my sanity while he and Damien have mocked me, shared videos of my arrest, etc. Now he is coming to me and asking me to be nicer to him than he was to me. Does he see the problem with this?
Clearly he has deputised you. You seem nice and I don't think you knew until very recently - possibly today - that I was telling the truth. Definitely you didn't know when we spoke on Instagram. Probably you didn't know when you replied to my emails last week. (Actually you didn't reply to my emails, you replied only to other people's emails in that thread. I genuinely begin to wonder if Oli has had people filter out my emails.) I just don't know quite why you're doing his bidding...?
I love him and he knows that, and I know he loves me, but yet again he has behaved ... well, previously he has behaved very badly, but this has crossed way beyond the line this time. I almost don't know what to say or do, really.
Clearly the Cherny situation is under threat from something or other that I have done - either the Messenger thread or my announced plan to call Cherny as a witness - and Oli, who was quite content to have me falsely imprisoned for his convenience, now needs my help, and I will probably give him it out of forgiveness but every single time this happens and he ends up thinking it's his right. It's not, it is me being fucking infinitely forgiving when he doesn't deserve it. I could just as easily do the opposite and honestly I am fucking tempted to.
Though the ultimate thing is that I'm not sure what difference it makes because I'm not sure how much I can do here? Like, there aren't two very different paths. There's just tell Cherny one way or tell him another way. I'm happy to help with the nicer or smoother way, but it can't be hidden. It's functionally out of the bag now.
Olly is not having an affair with Sam. Most ridiculous idea youve ever had
But why is it absolutely, absolutely categorically forbidden that Sam Cherny and I be allowed to discuss this, then?
Also you sounded like Damien for a moment there!
Please don't tell me you're getting a script, haha
Well, I suppose you wouldn't tell me that
It would be an exceedingly bad script if it did
I spent all yesterday dealing with a mild form of anphete / coke fugue state
But I do start to feel like people are reciting lines to me
Ah, sorry to hear, I've been there
Hallucinations? Those are fun
I overdid it with the meth in 2022 and had an autumn of awful auditory hallucinations (you know, the standard peripheral critical voices sort)
I hasten to suggest you are too. First symptom: there will be nothing I can say or do to convince you et al
There is: a conversation with Sam Cherny, haha
But that is not possible and I know it is not possible, so ... god, sorry, you're coming in at the end of a long, long thing in which I have honed my argument down to this unanswerable thing
Why are you in the Oli inner sanctum now? I thought you were friends with Sam Cherny too
There you go. If youre on the property for your own sake leave.
Get a couple of days sleep
Wait, sorry, what are you saying? On what property?
Sams
Sorry, Peter, but I know the truth - well, at least this part of it - and I am going to call Sam Cherny as a witness
I know that's not fine, and I know you can't say that or why it's not fine, and I'm sorry
I'm a bit surprised that you've ended up straightforwardly on Oli's side - I thought you might be someone who might tell Sam Cherny - but, well, I am mystified by a lot of this, but what I am sure of is that people do not want me saying this to Sam Cherny
I am sorry to Oli too
But he did get himself into this mess
And he was quite willing to have me wrongly imprisoned to cover it up, which I am somewhat peeved about
Can he reasonably expect anything else of me? I think he made his bed, and I think I'm being more forgiving and thoughtful than most people would be in my position, but I'm just not sure what I can do for him
If you let me know if there's anything I can do for him, I will, besides going to prison willingly so he doesn't have to admit to Cherny what was going on
But we're past the point where I can be thrown off the scent, sorry
All you do is make youre poorer. Obviously you’ve not been to court. You dont get to recite all your grievances
. Your barrister may well think you not suitable to put before the court.
Ive been involved with some of the cases. What was going on?
I love that boy a lot, a lot a lot a lot, and I will try to help
My lawyer has to put the request to the court if I override him, and I will most likely if he disagrees, which I'm not sure if he will - if he disagrees with a very good reason it's always possible I might listen, but I can't see any likely eventuality where I don't call Sam Cherny
If this is simpley love lorn butt hurt and resentful
I might well not call Damien, but Sam Cherny I will
Sorry, Peter, I don't know why you're doing the Damien thing, but Damien tried it and it didn't work - don't degrade yourself, imo
If you explain to me what the hell is going on and why everyone cares so much, I will consider it
Look, I know you're going to think I'm recording you - would you meet in person and you can check me for a wire if you want - luckily it's so hot that I won't be wearing a whole lot of clothes to hide anything in - and then maybe you can explain whatever is going on here and i will understand
I promise you I will not trick you - I don't trick people - I have recorded Damien but I have always made it clear to him that I was recording him - to my mind, once you give your word you keep it, and i swear on my grandparents' graves and whatever is sacred that i will
i just have a sense that an explanation in secret may help
because i do not understand why this is becoming such a drastically serious thing that is involving multiple people in moral degradation who don't seem to me to have any urgent reason to go to such lengths for Oli
you live on Vereker Road, right? I am not stalking you and I won't turn up unexpected, but I could come if you want - you have to promise not to murder me, haha - we are getting to the point where i almost feel murder is not inconceivable....
I asked you a simple question and you cane back without answering it. I out it to you you cant answer it. You’ll get a psychiatric reoiet prior the court dates and if your reply is not on point the caae will be chucked out abd you will be sued. I have to go. I know exactly whats going on here. Get some therapy now and the courts
OK, Peter. Sorry this has gone this way. Let me know if you want to talk seriously about it.